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Breast Imaging Versus MSK- What’s Better For Marketability And Lifestyle?

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Hi, Dr. Julius!
Been choosing between breast imaging versus MSK radiology fellowship, what do think is better in terms of marketability and lifestyle?
Yours truly,
Not quite sure
I find your choices of subspecialties of breast imaging versus MSK unusual because I almost consider them to be opposites in some senses. So, what are the particulars specifically about breast versus MSK radiology that you may find enticing or detract you from choosing them?

The Covid Crisis And Breast Imaging Versus MSK

Let’s start with current conditions. Many breast imagers that only perform breast imaging are currently out of jobs. Why? Because elective procedures have dried up entirely. So, you are subjecting yourself to a less diversified specialty in terms of outpatient versus inpatient imaging, that’s one negative for breast imaging. Today, MSK is more desirable in the Covid world because these subspecialists usually perform general radiology and inpatient imaging. But, times are atypical right now, and both specialties will likely return to a baseline (perhaps lower than before the pandemic- check out What’s In The Cards For The New Radiologist Job Market After Covid?).

The Traditional Job Market And Both Specialties

More traditionally, there have been fewer folks that have wanted to go into mammography for several reasons, such as more patient contact, lawsuits, and less diagnostic diversity. For these reasons,  the mammography job market has otherwise remained better than most subspecialties through other recessions. On the other hand, MSK is more conducive to practicing general radiology since it overlaps with other areas in radiology a bit more. So, you will find more cross-coverage, And, for this reason, this subspecialty tends to be more subject to the whims of the radiology job market in general.
In terms of lifestyle, both subspecialties tend to be primarily outpatient. And, both subspecialties can be procedural and usually non-emergent. Mammo folks do biopsies, and MSK folks perform facet injections and bone marrow biopsies/arthrograms. But that’s about where the overlap ends. Mammography is a specialty for those people that like patient interaction. MSK, on the other hand, in general, tends to be a more solitary subspecialty where you can work without having to see patients if you want. I find this to be the most substantial difference between the two subspecialties. You have to figure out if you are a people person or not to make this determination.
So, there you have it. Those are some of my thoughts about the comparison between the two subspecialties in a nutshell.
Thanks for the great question!
Barry Julius, MD
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What Exactly Is The Specialty Of Body Imaging?

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Body Imaging Question:

Greetings and salutations,

Thanks so much for your educative content. I have benefited immensely. Please, what is body imaging (Radiology sub-specialty)? What exactly does it mean/entail? How is it different from Abdominal Radiology and Gastrointestinal Radiology subspecialties? And, are body imaging specialists privileged to carry out interventional radiology (vascular and non-vascular) procedures involving the part(s) of the body in which they specialize?

Thanks so much,

Possible future body imager

 

Answer:

 

It’s a great series of questions that you have asked because it is more complicated than what you might think at first glance. First of all, let’s talk about body imaging. Body imaging covers many different areas. To that point, some folks say that practicing this specialty is like saying you will practice all of radiology. That is because radiology covers the whole body!

Defining Body Imaging

But, if you look at most of these fellowships, they cover at least some of the following areas- gastrointestinal, abdominal, MSK, thoracic, cardiac, genitourinary, and breast. Because of this variability, there is no MQSA for these sorts of fellowships. And, if you look under this category or do a google search and see what they include, any one of them may emphasize any of these subspecialties within radiology. So, if you are interested in “body imaging,” you need to look at the fine print. Then, check out what the fellowship covers.
Moreover, a common approach for these advanced specialty programs is to cover six months in one of these areas and another six months in a different subspecialty. Or, it can emphasize more interventional biopsy type of training. Regardless, the topics can vary widely, and what you should look for depends on your interests for practice. As to your other question, abdominal and gastrointestinal radiology are just some of the areas that a fellowship can teach.
To answer your third question, yes, lots of body imagers do perform interventional procedures. And, no, you do not need to be an IR doctor or even a body image trained specialist to do many interventional sorts of procedures. Just make sure you have excellent training during your residency or body imaging fellowship, and that should be adequate for practice!
I hope that helps with your questions!
Barry Julius, MD

 

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Are Two Fellowships Too Many? Probably Most Of The Time!

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Since most job seekers look for new jobs for only a few years and the majority of those job seekers are fellows, the collective consciousness of the radiology job market at any given time rapidly fades away. And, when the job market changes, we often forget about what new radiology residents had to deal with only a few years ago. But, talk to radiologists that graduated around 5 or 6 years ago. You will find that many of these folks had experienced a 180 degree opposite job market of today’s when they started to look. Moreover, if you ask them which fellowships they have completed, you shouldn’t be shocked to hear that they finished two of them. In all likelihood, that may have been the norm!

So, the question I pose for today, is there still a role for completing two fellowships? Are there any economic advantages to finishing two advanced subspecialty programs? And, what circumstances should lead a new resident to achieve more than one? You should find this discussion enlightening!

Why Should Anyone Complete Two Fellowships?

OK. From a monetary standpoint, it no longer makes much sense. Most folks can receive the same pay regardless of whether they have completed one or two, let alone none! And, indeed, the job prospects don’t change all that much nowadays if you have finished one or two. So, let’s scratch that reason off the list.

What about future job security? Well, again, I believe that folks that fellows that have completed two fellowships are just as likely to get canned as those have finished one. If you are an excellent radiologist, it should not matter much. And, you can be a lousy radiologist regardless of if you have one or two fellowships. Additionally, I can make the argument that some less competent radiologists have completed two advanced programs because they did not feel comfortable initially starting in the job market with just one. So. let’s nix that reason as well.

How about allowing you to do what you want in practice? No, most jobs have a niche that they need to fill. And, they will meet the demand regardless of the number of fellowships you complete. Sure, you may find a job that advertises for someone that could perform two specialties competently. But, by no means in most cases, do you need to complete two fellowships to fill the position. Those positions tend to be more general. And, it probably does not matter if you have graduated from two subspecialty programs.

So, When May Two Fellowships Come In Handy?

Honestly, I could come up with three main reasons for completing two different fellowships in the market in general. And, one reason specifically for economic reasons.

So, let’s start with the economic reason. (Does not apply for the current market!) When the job market is terrible, you may need two fellowships to stand out from the crowd. And, precisely, that situation happened five or six years ago. It was not uncommon to find these applicants at that time.

Next, some folks choose the wrong fellowship from the get-go. I know of one interventionalist that never really liked it much. And, this person practiced for years and years with the hope that one day she would grow into it. It never happened. So, she chose to start from scratch at a different fellowship. That could make some sense in certain situations.

What else? Say you want to bolster your academic credentials. Well, in the game of academics, numbers of papers, lectures, abstracts, and even degrees matter. And, yes, having an additional fellowship is like having an extra degree. It has the potential to boost your academic prospects in that sort of venue. (A bit different from my world!)

Is More Than One Fellowship Too Many?

Based on our short discussion, the answer is sometimes. And, for most people today, that want to set out into the world of radiology, two fellowships is most likely overkill. But, there is a time and a place for the second fellowship. The question is: is it yours?

 

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Job Market Is Booming: Are Fellowships Still A Necessity?

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Let me clear up the facts for all the radiology residents that are thinking about fellowships in this market:  Just like any other job market, the number of radiology attending positions available is subject to market forces. Moreover, this prolific job market will not last forever. To support these claims, in my medical career, I have seen two job cycles, trough to peak. And we are sure to see others. It’s just a matter of time.

So, how does the changing job market impact the topic for today’s blog, the necessity of fellowships? Well, I have a bit of explaining to do.

Back in the early 2000s, when I completed my residency at the last market peak, great jobs were everywhere. California, New York, and  Florida were no exceptions. The theme of the job market was: “Name your price!” And, I can distinctly remember the heated discussions in the reading room about whether fellowships are necessary.

Well, it’s happening again. All you need to do, go to the recent forums on Aunt Minnie on the topic. Or, you can stop by my residency program. You will hear a few passionate debates on the matter. (We had this discussion during noon conference a week or two ago!) Regardless, I think this is a prescient indicator of a market peak. Not that it means we will experience a sudden downturn. But, we are riding somewhere along the top of the curve.

So, what happened the last time around the market went from peak to trough? Well, if you took a poll of radiologists without a fellowship, I believe a higher percentage of these folks would have had more issues with their career than those with one. Therefore, I am going to throw a bit of proverbial cold water on those of you who are thinking about going down this non-fellowship path by telling you why.

More Likely To Have Work You Don’t Like

For better or for worse, those radiologists without a specialty tend to have less control over their domain of practice. Don’t like mammo and plain films? Well, you can’t say you are an expert in another area that you enjoy more when you are starting your career. So, guess where the practice will want to place you!

Severely Limited Job Market On The Coasts

If you want to have a better chance of securing a job in the more populated portions of the country, you will have a much better shot if you have a fellowship. I can certainly speak for my part of the country, New Jersey. It’s possible, but good luck finding a quality position without one!

Not Considered An Expert In Any Area

Now, this may or may not bother you. But, many radiologists like their colleagues and referrers to perceive them as experts in a particular area. Clinicians know individual radiologists and ask for them by name because of their fellowships. That will be less likely to be you!

Much Harder To Start A New Fellowship Once Established

Once you have already been working as a full-fledged radiologist for a while, it becomes much more traumatic to start anew as a fellow. You may have a family. Or, perhaps you have become accustomed to the lifestyle of a radiologist. It’s hard to go back and do a fellowship once you’ve started your career!

Yes, You Will Have Increased Chance Of Losing Your Job

And finally, you may not want to hear this, but as an employee of a practice, when the reimbursements turn down and the market becomes sour, who is the first to go? Well, it’s not likely to be that expert in neuroradiology who the neurosurgeons love. And, it’s not going to be the nuclear radiologist who performs complicated radiopharmaceutical treatments on the referring physician’s patients that the practice cannot replace so easily. Hmmm. Who can be ousted the most quickly without a significant impact on the business? That person is much more likely to be you!

Booming Job Market: Still Need Fellowships!

I get it. You’ve been out working for so many years. And, you’ve become impatient. Maybe, you have a family and want to earn a real living. But, in the long run, it’s not worth the additional risks that you will take by not completing the additional training. So, think again before you choose to enter the job market without a fellowship now. You may regret your big decision later in life!

 

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No Procedures Please! I’m Sick Of Interruptions In My Workflow

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Question:

I’m happiest when I’m just plowing through cases at the workstation, as I find procedures are a considerable nuisance. Unfortunately, there seem to be in every subspecialty, but which ones give me the best opportunity to find a job with few/no procedures required?
Regards,
The Anti-Procedure Student

Answer:

Specialties Without Procedures

Fortunately for you, lots of areas within radiology require minimal to no procedures. Here is my list of the career paths I would be thinking about: Non-interventional neuroradiology, MSK outpatient radiology, heavily weighted academics, teleradiology, emergency radiology (depends on the hospital and their requirements), and informatics. Also, body imaging with an outpatient bent could be non-procedural weighted as well. (assuming that there is no fluoroscopy on site).

Non-Procedure Weighted Specialties

Moreover, let me give a pitch for thoracic and cardiovascular imaging. Many of those rads do not perform manual work. However, at some academic institutions, the thoracic imagers will perform the biopsies. And, at other places, you may get interrupted to supervise Cardiac MRIs and CTAs. That all depends on the workflow.
Nuclear medicine (my specialty) does involve iodine treatments and radiotherapies for other cancers. So, you will need to sit with patients and play doctor. And, you may need to perform lymphoscintigraphies. (Our residents do most of them!)  Also, at some institutions (not mine), you will need to stand and monitor the cardiac perfusion scans. However, you will find that we do not perform that many long involved procedures. Manual work is not our thing!

Procedure Heavy Specialties

Hopefully, you have figured out that breast imaging and interventional radiology does not work well for someone not interested in procedures with all the biopsies and/or vascular work. Also, women’s imaging, in general, is not a place for you with hysterosonograms and HSGs. And, finally, pediatric radiology is also chock full of procedures as well. You have intussusception reductions, VCUG, barium enemas, hands-on ultrasounds, and more. I would avoid that specialty!

My Final Summary

Now that I think about it a little bit more, about half of radiology does not emphasize procedures. You can easily find a path that will take you in that direction when you decide to pursue your career!
Good luck following your “procedureless” path!
Barry Julius, MD